Resilience, Imposter Syndrome and Becoming the Boss with Lindsey Epperly

Lindsey Epperly

CEO of JetSet World Travel and host of Who Made You the Boss? Podcast

Lindsey Epperly is the CEO of Jetset World Travel, which she has scaled from a one-person operation into a team of over 80 dedicated members, recently recognized on the Inc. 5000 List of fastest-growing companies. She was named to the Forbes Next 1000 List and was most inspired by navigating her industry’s greatest crisis while expecting her first child, a season she affectionately calls the “MBA I never wanted.” Lindsey is dedicated to fighting burnout and imposter syndrome while teaching others how to turn obstacles into opportunities on her podcast, Who Made You The Boss?

SHOW NOTES

Lindsey Epperly has grown her travel business from a one-woman operation to a team of 80 (!!). It has been on the Inc 5000 list of fastest-growing companies, and Lindsey seemingly has it all.

And yet, even with her success, Lindsey still encounters imposter syndrome – especially when (despite the accolades) she feels like her business is failing.

Through her experiences, she realized the common pitfall of equating self-worth with success, a challenge familiar to many high achievers in today’s hustle culture.

However, Lindsey’s perspective shifted as she began to see imposter syndrome as a sign of stepping out of her comfort zone, using it as a motivational tool to turn obstacles into opportunities.

And here’s what she learned in the process.

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TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00] Jess:
Vans. My allergies are insane, so I probably sound

[00:00:04] Lindsey:
Well, and you probably can’t take anything because pregnancy, like it’s all,

[00:00:08] Jess:
you know,

[00:00:09] Lindsey:
low ball medicines. How are you feeling?

[00:00:12] Jess:
I mean, I feel fine. I can’t complain. But it’s like At this stage, you’re so big, you already can’t breathe and so to add this in the mix, you’re just like, Oh, yes, but it’s all good.

[00:00:24] Lindsey:
Okay.

[00:00:25] Jess:
Um, sorry. How are things going with you?

[00:00:27] Lindsey:
Good. They’re going good. Um, I can’t remember if I told you this or not, but we are spending the entire summer in Spain and Portugal, so we’re like a month out from that and I am so excited.

[00:00:38] Jess:
That’s amazing.

[00:00:40] Lindsey:
Yeah, I was just working on some of it before jumping on here.
Do you all have like an Airbnb or what’s the deal? For part of it, but then the actually this is kind of cool, um, the second part of it is a remote like kind of nomad family program called Boundless Life. Yeah. So when we’re in Portugal, they go in and they set up a coworking space, they set up a Montessori school, they set up the apartment complex, and so like, you just like, it’s turnkey. You pay, you’re there, and then you’re there with a community who’s also chosen those same dates, so it’s like an instant bond.

[00:01:08] Jess:
That is so cool. I’m excited. That is scratching an itch, for sure. Yes. remote work and like, how do we set up our life somewhere?

[00:01:18] Lindsey:
Well, that’s it. And then you don’t have to worry about the childcare aspect because the kids are in a good school. And, um, so I’ll give you all the lowdown on it when I get back if it’s something you can contribute to them. But, um, yeah, cause my kids will be one and four. Yeah. So

[00:01:33] Jess:
I also got reached out to this morning from a company that I wanted to send to you. Uh, they host trips for like, You as like the influencer like could say, Hey, we’re going to Greece and they host all of it. Um, and yeah, it’s probably not for me at this stage that I’m in, but either like you or someone that you work with, you know, or they could partner with you like on, on stuff, but

[00:02:01] Lindsey:
send them along.

[00:02:02] Jess:
Um, okay. So, uh, Amplify for women’s speakers. Uh, we also have some event planners that listen. Um, So I know originally we talked about like burnout, um, You know, is there anything that you, specific lanes that you want to go down for?

[00:02:23] Lindsey:
I, well, I mean, I focus a lot on imposter syndrome and burnout, so like we can definitely hone in there. I think when we, when I pitched a few topics, you like the idea of like scaling from solopreneur to entrepreneur and like what that journey looks like. Um. Yeah. We can definitely draw the through lines and maybe you can draw some of the through lines to the speaking side of things and I’m going to get to the entrepreneurship side because they are all entrepreneurs.

[00:02:46] Jess:
Yeah. I think, um, after we talked, we did like a analytics review of our episodes and imposter syndrome was like really popular. So I’d almost like to go that route so I can kind of guide you there. But, um, Episodes will aim for like 20 25 minutes. It’ll be super quick and I’ll intro you before but and then also if you see me up here looking up here then, uh, it’s because we have a camera right there and also the red light isn’t on.
Is it supposed to be on? Right there. Okay. Usually I’m obsessed with the fact that you’ve got like full production going on over there. This, oh, I want to introduce you to Jason after this. Hi Jason. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Um, I know this is like way cooler than me. Yeah. Um, okay. So Lindsay, you went from losing your home to the Inked 5000 list in.
Less three years. I feel like that might be a good place for us to start. , let’s camp out there for a second. , that was quite the journey. Yeah. Tell me like what, what was the A to B? How did that happen?

[00:04:04] Lindsey:
Oh gosh. Okay. So diving right into it. So I am the founder of a travel agency and it was always this little travel agency that could, I was building it up, scaling it.
I was, you know, as most entrepreneurs wearing all the hats. And then one day my fiance at the time said, Hey, I, I would like to fill the open position you have and come. work with you? And I was like, absolutely not. It sounds like a terrible idea, right? But we wind up talking it through and ultimately he comes to work alongside me.

VO:
Today’s guest is Lindsey Epperly, CEO of Jetset World Travel, and host of the Who Made You The Boss? Podcast. Her keynote talks are about burnout and imposter syndrome, which we’ll get into. But her story is incredible, from losing her home to leading a business into the Inc 5000 list of fastest growing companies. And the story begins with her fiance now husband joining her in 2018 to help her grow the travel company…

So now we are a couple with all eggs in one basket. Fast forward to March of 2020. Everyone knows that month for the rest of their lives, right? I am five months pregnant with our first child. We are in business together. We have a home under contract. Everything’s going up and to the right until suddenly it is not.

World pandemic, not the time to be in the travel business. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, the amazing thing, and a lot of what I think we’ll talk about today is, is kind of how you can turn those obstacles into your opportunities, right? Like every single thing that fell apart in March of 2020 is exactly what led us to Winding up on the Inc. 5000 list, more than quadrupling throughout the pandemic, we were able to see as an acquisition opportunity, um, just insane amounts of growth. I, I had goals for myself. I was in my early thirties when this happened. I had goals for myself to hit by the time I was 40 and we managed to hit every single one of those goals in the two years following the pandemic because of everything that happened, right?
Because of the way we were able to look at it and say, actually, could we? use some of these opportunities for our benefit instead of just looking at them as obstacles. I mean, you had a recent podcast about this, right? Like about, you’re here, make the most of it. Yeah. And that’s what we,

[00:05:44] Jess:
we really did. So walk me through, cause that is, yes, I could sing that all day long, but when you’re in the moment and you’re like, Holy cow, this vision that I had of moving into this house, all of this is going away. How do you not jump to like a scarcity mindset? I mean, I feel like in hindsight, you could say, Oh yeah, like, like use what you have. And we now have created this thing, but like, what were the actual moments.

[00:06:17] Lindsey:
Yeah. I mean, I’m saying all of this with like silver lining voice, right? But it was not like that in the moment, in the moment having to make the choice between do I keep my business or do I keep my home? And you know, you’re already so in love with this idea of where you’re bringing your daughter home to, and it’s got an interior brick wall and it’s so beautiful and nothing’s ever going to replace that, right? Like that was a very painful choice of do we move forward with something material. for an even greater risk, right? We believe in this business, but it’s not looking so good right now. And so honestly, we had to hold a lot of that optimism, which I’m a very emotionally driven person. So it wasn’t optimism. Thank God for good partnerships. My husband, during this time, we decided to make him my business partner. And so he was able to be a very stable force during that time and say, wait a minute, we’ve got a spreadsheet for this. It’s on the whiteboard. There’s a plan, right? So when I would get emotional. We would go back, we had a spreadsheet titled Project Slimfast, because it was all about reducing our expenses and increasing our run rate. So let’s look at Project Slimfast. It’s saying we can list, you know, we can exist for another three months here. We can make another, oh, a government, government came out with a program. That’s another three months for us. You know, so it was like just keeping this thing in check and saying, all right, in reality, What’s this going to look like for the next few months? And once we get to a certain number, either in our bank account or, you know, what, what that looks like, then we can press the big red button of, we’ve got to do something else, but we just kept surviving. And, and really the optimism was so important for our team because we’re leading a team at the time. They’re showing up every day. They’re so, you know, they love planning travel and all they’re doing at the time is counseling trips, postponing trips, like really being in it with their travelers and, and feeling that. Pain and hardship of, ah, man, they had this dream. Now the dream’s not going to happen. You know, everyone’s bummed besides the whole existential crisis that everyone’s going through and small detail, small detail. So we had to show up as leaders and, and set a mission for everyone. And that was what got the team through was our mission was to be a beacon during our industry’s darkest hour. So we actually created programs. We invited in our competitors. We were, you know, it was all about community over competition. And all of that’s what led to so many opportunities on the other side.

[00:08:27] Jess:
And the decision, I’m actually selfishly curious about this, the decision to involve your husband and be business partners and spouses is something I can relate to.
What was that journey like for you? Because it definitely, uh, for us was some growing pains at first.

[00:08:52] Lindsey:
Yes, definitely. And, and you know what’s interesting, Jess, I, because the pandemic happened so early on, because like the leveling of this [00:09:00] business happened just a couple of years, actually less than a couple of years into us working together, success can cover a lot of ignorance and a lot of flaws, right? So like when you’re doing well, you kind of don’t have to look at the cracks in the foundation, but when that rock is pulled out, then it’s like, Oh wow, we’ve got a lot of.

[00:09:14] Jess:
Yeah.

[00:09:18] Lindsey:
And I feel like that could either bring you together or pull you apart.

[00:09:18] Jess:
Yeah. Yes.

[00:09:22] Lindsey:
Yeah. We have a couple of, of kind of checks and balances in place.
One is that Jeremy literally has a resignation letter typed up on his computer that he can press print on at any time, should the marriage be in force.

[00:09:33] Both:
That is amazing. Jake, if he’s listening, he’s like, Oh, I’m going to write my resignation letter today. Have that saved on your desktop, Jake.

[00:09:43] Lindsey:
But you know, what the journey was like is we decided what we wanted to craft for our family, which was a lifestyle of freedom and flexibility and entrepreneurship can bring that. And Jeremy’s background, he has his MBA. He was working in finance at the time, but he wasn’t working for himself. And so this was an avenue to [00:10:00] getting us both in a position where we were working for ourselves.

[00:10:02] Jess:
Yeah. It’s interesting, like how you married someone who, what do you call left brain and your right brain? I did the same thing. And I would say like 90 percent of the time, in your relationship and in your business. Those like differences are great because they, he catches for what I lack and vice versa and the things that scare me that I don’t want to do. He, that’s, that’s like the things that excite him, like spreadsheets and all that stuff versus writing email copy. He’s like,

[00:10:35] Lindsey:
What do you want me to say?

[00:10:35] Jess:
Just tell them to buy it. Like, and I’m like, you can’t, you can’t do that. And so 90 percent of the time it’s great. And then the 10 percent of the time it’s like, well, why don’t you think about this the way that I think about this? Yeah. Right.

[00:10:50] Lindsey:
I, I found that journey was one of, you, you have to actually be cognizant of giving professional respect to each other because in your [00:11:00] home life you love this person more than anyone, right? Like you give. Easy, instant respect because of the way that you fell in love, but I found that work, Jeremy, and work, Lindsay, were not madly in love, and they had to learn how to get along.

[00:11:13] Jess:
Oh, that’s interesting.

[00:11:14] Lindsey:
Yeah, you show up as a different person at work, you know?

[00:11:15] Jess:
Yeah. The other thing that I feel has been Something that I’ve struggled with, like most of the time, I mean, working with Jake has been amazing, but the, you would complain to your spouse about your boss if you worked somewhere else or like work issues. You just kind of like when you’re at dinner and be like, Oh my gosh, this person or this thing happened. When it’s a business that you run together, just being on the receiving end of that, just kind of. One off banter that you should be able to have with your spouse adds a different layer to it. And so we’ve definitely had to set boundaries and expectations because he’s someone who can like, it could be 9 30 p.m and he could be like, Oh yeah, like I filed our Taxes or talk about something and they’d be like good night where I’m thinking like at 11 p.m Well, what about this and the taxes and he’s so good at just like on off on off where I am like Always flickering on and off. Yeah, and so having to figure out like when I I want to be there for him On the receiving end of things that bother him or stress him out just like you would in any other role but there has to be Timing and, uh, thought behind it.

[00:12:39] Lindsey:
Do you ever find that? Oh, totally. We have a weekly date where we just parking lot those ideas because otherwise they’ll interrupt the whole flow of the day. Yes. Else that I picked up on that you and I can relate and I’m, you know, maybe there are the rare listeners that have this exact scenario, but like when you are the female founder as well, so like you founded this company, there is this kind of you know, relationship that you have with your company that feels so weird when you bring someone else in.

[00:13:06] Lindsey:
And then sometimes it’s hard not to take things personal if they’re questioning how things are done and you’re like, well, because my gut said to do it that way, you know, and then talk about imposter syndrome where you’re having to like hold your own self accountable for the business you’ve created. And you’re like, I’m just kind of doing the best I can over here.

[00:13:21] Jess:
Yes. Well, let’s talk about imposter syndrome because you are, you have so many great takes on imposter syndrome, how that can lead to burnout. Obviously that’s something in the speaking industry that is so prevalent and also especially with women.
What has your journey been like with imposter syndrome? Whether that’s starting your business, your podcast, who made you the boss? What has that been like for you?

[00:13:48] Lindsey:
Yeah, it’s been such an important through line. You know, you talk about listening to the chorus and it has been a chorus for me because yes, from the very beginning when you’re starting a business, I think there’s a level of like, well, who the heck am I to do this, right? That’s why I named the show who made you the boss, because as an entrepreneur, you look yourself in the mirror as a speaker, as whoever the, you are the boss now, and you’ve got to own up to that. But the real journey with imposter syndrome for me, the place where it reared its roots. the worst was during that season of what I perceived as failure because the business was just absolutely, you know, in the red for months and months. And I had unknowingly tied my self worth to my success, which is, is such an easy thing to do as a high achiever. And just given our current situation. Um, and I’ll tell you where it really came to a head was at the end of 2020, we wound up going on this amazing entrepreneurial retreat to a private island that I had always dreamed of. And the only reason we did this is because we had paid for it a year prior. So we did not know. When we felt like we were going to be successful enough to go on this retreat, uh, you know, amongst, like, Tony Robbins and her circle, that we were going to be gigantic failures at the time, is what we felt, or what I felt. I can’t speak for Jeremy. But being on there, so we go on this retreat, and I’m like, should I just, like, write this in Sharpie on my forehead, that, like, Loser. Failure. The business is clearly not doing well. Like everyone has to know, right? And so that’s where imposter syndrome really got the worst of me. And I remember just showing up and being like, I had this feeling in my gut. I just wasn’t myself. I’m like, well, they know, you know, can they tell? And, and I, it took months and months of reflection after that. And I actually have written a lot about it. I put a lot into my podcast about this specific incident because I was so hyper obsessed with how I was being perceived that it was keeping me from being honest and vulnerable and open and, and, and. didn’t allow me to turn that negative into a positive until a long time after, right? Until I was able to say, Oh, actually, I can use the imposter syndrome as inspiration because it’s only here because I’m putting myself out of my comfort zone, right? Like it’s actually, imposter syndrome is often a sign that you’re doing something right.

[00:15:54] Jess:
The imposter syndrome. Yeah, like you’re not going to feel it if you’re sitting in your comfort zone. You’ll feel it when you get accepted to that TED Talk or you go host that retreat or things that make you stretch a little bit. But let’s talk about when you do feel it. What do you do because it’s so easy to interpret those like well Then this must mean I’m not qualified if the voice in my head is telling me that I’m not so how do we react?
In those times.

[00:16:27] Lindsey:
Yeah, you know, I’ve I think that the common rhetoric is to silence it There’s like there’s been a big push to just like get imposter syndrome silence the inner critic Let you know like just shut it down.

[00:16:38] Jess:
Yeah,

[00:16:38] Lindsey:
and And while I don’t believe in letting it take free reign and just like, you know, help having you spiral, I think there’s actually an approach that I do, which is more to acknowledge it, right? It’s, it’s um, I think Brene Brown is the one who talks about studying your emotions like a scientist and I think this is very true of imposter syndrome. And so for me, when I feel it kind of rearing up, I like to actually like take a step back and try to think through, okay, well, what emotions are these tied to? Where is the actual feeling? Fear here. Can we even actually a, um, a new friend of mine, Amy Schoenthal wrote a book called the setback cycle where she talks about like naming her inner critic and let’s give it a name, right? Let’s, let’s put a persona around this person that is here and is speaking negatively to you. So you can better address them and say, okay, actually I’m glad that you’re here because it means I’m doing something right because my inner critic is here, but we’re going to address the points that you made and I’m going to make sure that I move through the fear because I’m actually acknowledging it.

[00:17:33] Jess:
Yeah, and I think that there’s like two different takes on how to quiet your imposter syndrome. And I feel like they could be used in two different scenarios. There are some times when I have the runway or when something is really getting in my head and maybe it’s like, I don’t know if I should write another book. I don’t know what people will think. I don’t know what they’ll say. And I can really. name that inner critic, figure out where it’s coming from. But then there’s some times where imposter syndrome happens in the moment or you’re in a meeting or you’re on a zoom call or whatever it is. And you don’t have the time to be like, let’s dissect this. And so I think sometimes even just knowing like, Oh yeah, it’s normal. It’s going to pass without giving yourself the burden of like, Who is it? Where is it coming from? What am I going to do? Is also kind of freeing where you’re like, yeah, this is normal. It’s because I’m reaching. Do you find that? Yeah. And I think,

[00:18:36] Lindsey:
yeah, it’s a really, really good point. And I think to arming ourselves with the facts is really important so that you can have those moments where you just like, you just let it ride. Um, you know, I think about it. So many of your listeners are speakers and more than likely that means that, you know, Yesterday they weren’t a speaker, but today they are because they have made the transition of some sort, right? They took, is that, is that what it looks like? Because in my industry, I run a travel agency, I run Jet Set World Travel, and there’s no barrier to entry into becoming a travel advisor, right? Like it, it was yesterday you were not one, today you are. We’re going to make sure you’re trained. But then there’s a lot of insecurities that come with that because like, well, I didn’t get my MBA in travel. Like I didn’t get my MBA in speaking. I didn’t get, you know, yeah. So how do you prove to yourself that you are where you should be? And I think it’s more like acknowledging where you are, but also, Hey, I just completed my drop workshop. I’ve gotten that on the average human that has not, right. That makes me more of a speaker than I was the day before I completed it. So knowing those credentials, right. For my travel advisors, I’m like, look, you’re now part of a network. You’ve now gone through the training. You’ve got A guy in Iceland you can call that you didn’t have before you started this, right? So just thinking through like what gives you more confidence.

[00:19:45] Jess:
But that’s such a good point because there’s so many industries where it’s like I now have my doctorate and I can cure patients, or I now have this badge that I can wear where people trust me, but like a [00:20:00] podcaster, a speaker, a lot of these stuff like in, in coaching, you know, that it’s great because there are certifications, but with speaking, you know, a lot of people are like, well, can I put the word speaker on my website if I haven’t?
It’s like, well, yeah, how are people supposed to know that this is something that you want to do if you haven’t claimed it? So it can be uncomfortable, especially for women to like start claiming something and stepping into it without someone telling them, you deserve this. And yeah. I want to also touch on the, this study that I read recently. I think it was through MIT about like how imposter syndrome, you know, affects 75 percent of executive women. So women that we think like have it, 75 percent of them have imposter syndrome. And then imposter syndrome leads to more burnout in women than it does men. Because when men experience imposter syndrome, a lot of times they inflate. Confidence, almost like a fake it till you make it fallacy, where women go, what else can I do to prove myself? Which, we all know is like pouring water in a leaky barrel. Like it’s, you never are going to feel like, Oh, I’m the expert now. So imposter syndrome, especially in women, which I can relate to, can lead to burnout, which is also something that you advise and help people with. What are some things that when we are just in that overachieving, I need one more thing to feel good about myself. What do we do?

[00:21:34] Lindsey:
Yeah. Uh, you just made a lot of great, great points. And I think it’s, I think it’s important to acknowledge the fact that there’s a fallacy around imposter syndrome that the more successful you get, the quieter that voice will get. And I’ve actually found that to be the opposite, right? The, the more successful you get, the more isolated you will feel because you are stepping into a role that you’ve never done before. And you might have less individuals who can relate to that role. And so it starts becoming more, You know, lonely, lonelier, but I will say I tie this to burnout because I think of each of the times that I had major evolutions in my career, just in life in general. And they were almost always a byproduct of a season of burnout. And it was because I wasn’t listening to my gut or my intuition, which was saying, Hey, instead of putting yourself in front of that punching bag that you’ve been doing year and year and year, maybe consider. moving up into a different position because whatever you’re trying to do.
So I, I, I’ll give you the better example here is I always had male mentors who were fabulous, but they would tell me you just need to get thicker skin. Like it was always the rhetoric, right? Just get thicker skin. Like I could just go buy it at Staples or something. And so the idea was, well, I just need to callous myself. I need to keep inserting myself into those, uh, Moments of negativity that are causing me emotional, you know, despair and burnout. And I would just wallow in that kind of place until I realized, wait a minute, actually the thin skin idea, the reason that I’m [00:23:00] feeling that is because I think my whole body is actually saying, listen, it is time for you to move up and evolve. from the position that you’re in. And that means you’re opening up a new career path for someone else who might enjoy it. Not that anyone enjoys being in that position, but you know, some people enjoy customer service more than others. So situations like that. So for me, burnout has always been a sign instead of just a symptom toward evolution.

[00:23:20] Jess:
Interesting because the idea of burnout not being a symptom, but a sign can be really like posing another question. Because when I think of burnout, I think of like, What do I need to eliminate instead of what do I need to evolve or what do I need to step into? Like what is not working? And for anyone listening, you and I, when I was on Who Made You The Boss on your podcast, we talked about this in the context of motherhood and postpartum and balancing that and running a business. So definitely go over to Who Made You The Boss and find our episode because it is like one of those. Things where I forgot I was on a podcast. It’s like, let’s just talk about this because there is no better correlation between burnout and evolution than the product of motherhood. Uh, which I appreciate how transparent and helpful you were in that.
I talk about what you said about like leaving bread, breadcrumbs for yourself in that postpartum journey. Like, And as I’m about to deliver this baby, I’m doing that a lot. So I really appreciate that. But Lindsay, where else, like, if I was a speaker and I was just getting started and I was feeling imposter syndrome and wondering like, maybe I shouldn’t do this, what advice would you have? for someone who’s like just getting started in their speaking journey.

[00:24:46] Lindsey:
You know, I can first, thank you for saying all of that about our conversation on who may do the boss because I can completely relate. It’s why I actually chose our episode to launch our second season because it’s such a good conversation and you just, you showed up as a whole human and we’re willing to, to go there and talk about the struggles with motherhood and, um, you know, much like we’re talking about all of this today, I think it’s so important that we acknowledge like this is, this is This is challenging, and especially as a high achieving, independent woman, like, what does this look like for my identity now? Um, you know, when it comes to being a speaker starting out today, and listen, for the listeners, like, I can completely relate to this. I, too, am embarking on more speaking, and I, too, feel those tendrils of imposter syndrome more than ever to say, well, who are you to get up on a stage and share your passion? You know, I’ve done it in years past, but I took a couple years off due to maternity, and now? We’re on the other side and I feel like I’m starting back at square one. Um, when it comes to that imposter syndrome, you know, I, I think I’d kind of echo what I said earlier about arming yourself with the facts about yourself. So it’s not just your credentials. It’s, you know, it’s great. You need to go through my drop workshop. That is a wonderful credential. I can speak to it since I went through it before interviewing you. It’s fabulous. But also, why you and why your voice and why now, right? You’re answering those questions through Mic Drop. So I almost feel like writing those, printing those, putting those beside your computer to remind yourself you are the right vessel for this. And actually when I, when I first engaged in speaking, Years ago, I remember being really nervous before going, um, onto my first stage and going to my therapist about it, right? And at the time, I was going to like a very meditation based therapist. She was fantastic. She would kind of help me like drop into my body and see how certain things felt. And I will never forget her saying, all right, you’ve got a message, but what if that message is actually sent to you from something larger, right? I’m a very faith based individual. So like that message is from God and you are simply the vessel here. Take your ego out of it. So maybe that’s where we look at as a beginning speaker is, you’ve got a message, that’s a higher gift from a, you know, whatever it is that you believe in, but you are just the vessel. So it has nothing to do with the way that you look or the way that you’re going to appear or the way, you know, like all the things that we, especially as women, get caught up in. It’s about being the vessel to deliver that message. You’re the one with it. It is yours. You get to steward that.

[00:27:06] Jess:
Yes, we talk about that in Mic Drop, the being the lighthouse speaker versus a spotlight speaker. Spotlight, how will I look? How will I seem? Lighthouse, how can I be the vessel? How can I guide people here? And so as it comes to imposter syndrome, it’s almost like, Well, it’s not about you. I saw some quote or maybe it’s funny. I was like, I saw some quote, I read some book. It was like, really? I saw a Tik Tok. Um, and it was, uh, you know, someone was like, I’m experiencing a lot of imposter syndrome and self doubt and insecurity. And I would not be this harsh with someone. But the response was like, wow, you, you think about yourself a lot. And it was like, Oh, that’s one way to look at it. Like, I don’t, again, I don’t, think that that is the solution to all of it, but it does pose the question of like, oh yeah, I’m making this a lot about me when it should be about them. I am the vessel and I love that. Lindsay, where else can people find you? Definitely subscribe to Who Made You The Boss, find our episode, uh, but where else can people meet you?

[00:28:12] Lindsey:
Yeah, thanks for saying that. I am so passionate about Who Made You The Boss and the conversations we’re having. Um, the easiest way to connect with me and find all of the things that I’m doing is just visit lindsayepperley.com and L I N D S E Y E P P E R L Y dot com. That’s going to have links to everything about Who Made You The Boss as well as my newsletter and my writing and then ways you can connect with me because I love hearing from people individually. So feel free to shoot me a DM.

[00:28:33] Jess:
Love it. We will put it in the show notes.
Lindsay, you are the best. Thanks for coming on Amplify and I’m sure we’ll talk to you soon. Thanks, Jess. Awesome.