How Fear of Inadequacy Can Lead to Becoming a World-Class Speaker with Therese Gopaul-Robinson

Therese Gopaul-Robinson

Keynote Speaker & Consultant

Therese Gopaul-Robinson is a keynote speaker and expert in healthcare, credentialing, and leadership development. A respected keynote speaker and facilitator, Therese brings over 20 years of experience in hospitals and healthcare staffing organizations. She holds a Master of Public Health in Health Promotion and Disease Prevention from Florida International University. Known for her ability to identify core issues quickly, she guides clients through prioritization, action planning, and strategic execution, empowering them to achieve impactful results and lasting success.

Beyond her work with staffing companies, Therese provides on-demand training and guidance for healthcare leaders facing complex challenges, equipping them with strategies to navigate even the most difficult situations.

SHOW NOTES

Therese Gopaul-Robinson knew it was time for a raise. She asked for a meeting, practiced her speech, and had her PowerPoint presentation ready to go. It was time to take the next step in her career.

But she didn’t get her raise in that meeting – she was let go instead.

Today, Therese shares her journey to becoming a world-class keynote speaker, which was initially filled with rejection and fear of inadequacy but ultimately led to her finding her first gigs.

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Therese Gopaul-Robinson is a Keynote Speaker and Healthcare Consultant who’s obsessed with helping women in leadership.

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TRANSCRIPT

[00:00:00] Jess:
Exactly. I’m glad that we can meet. Like, I feel like I know you from just following you on LinkedIn, but it’s funny in today’s relationships, you’re like, Oh yeah, we’ve never actually met before. 

[00:00:15] Therese:
You know, it’s so funny you say that because, because of that, every time I have a meeting with someone, I always say, let’s do a video call because that’s just a way for us to actually feel like, okay, I know you now, you know, 

[00:00:29] Jess:
exactly 

[00:00:31] Therese:
We’ve just all gotten so kind of far away from that.
So, yeah, 

[00:00:35] Jess:
no, for sure. It’s really easy to hide behind a keyboard. Absolutely. Oh yeah. So tell me, obviously I’ve like read a lot of your stuff, but what, what’s your like priorities right now? What does your life look like? So I can make sure to hit that too. Yeah. 

[00:00:52] Therese:
Yeah. I would say my, um, my biggest priority.
Is my speaking. That’s like my next 12 [00:01:00] months. Like that is something that I really want to transition into a space where that’s the majority of. The revenue that I’m taking in and the work that I’m doing. Um, obviously doing my consulting stuff, but I’m really trying to make that transition, um, as much as I can.
So. 

[00:01:19] Jess:
And what are you, um, speaking on these days? Like, what does that look like for you? 

[00:01:23] Therese:
So funny enough, Jess, like somehow I crossed over into like this motivational speaker space. I don’t know when that happened. I, I, I didn’t get a postcard. I don’t know, but I’m here. Um, and so I would say anything to do with. You know, insecurities, imposter syndrome, feeling more empowered, quieting the noise, trying not to do so much all the time because that’s how you feel like you belong and you add value, that sort of thing. So I tend to speak on a lot of that stuff. Yeah. I mean, Go ahead. 

[00:01:56] Jess:
No, that’s perfect. Yeah, I love speaking around [00:02:00] imposter syndrome and compassion. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, that would be great. Um, anything that you’re trying to, like, promote or push right now beyond your speaking that I can be sure to plug? 

[00:02:13] Therese:
You know, I’m just, um, I don’t have any kind of, like, uh, lead magnet that’s, like, jumping in front of me right now. But just encourage them to, um.
Visit my website because I have a lot of free stuff there, um, for women who are either in leadership or just growing in their career that are, you know, who are struggling with all of what we just talked about. Yeah. So I have a ton of, um, freebies on that website. Just a lot. Okay. 

[00:02:37] Jess:
I’ll have you, uh, I’ll, yeah, I’ll have you share that website at the end.
Okay. Perfect. So this is like going to be short and sweet around 20 to 30 minutes. The main People who are listening are like speakers or aspiring speakers, um, meeting planners, uh, and, you know, corporate women. And so a lot of people who are looking for. [00:03:00] Um, you know, goal setting, scaling their speaking, uh, they probably have imposter syndrome.
They probably compare themselves. Um, and then you also are great at like sharing about how to work with other people, you know, uh, which I think we can hit on as well. Any other directions you want to take or anything? 

[00:03:21] Therese:
I would say, I don’t think you had a chance to see me speak at Thrive. And even if you did, you’ve done so many since then, but, um, you know, I would love to share my story in terms of how I got here because it, it started off as a place of a lot of shame for me.

[00:03:34] Jess:
Yeah.  

[00:03:35] Therese:
It took me like a good solid year after I started my business to even start talking about like. Well, how the hell did I even get to start my own business? Oh, I would love that. Yeah. We’ll probably leave with that, but okay.

[00:03:46] Jess:
Yeah. That sounds good. 

[00:03:48] Therese:
Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, I don’t know if you remember, but I wanted to chat with you for a few after if we had time. So, uh, because I just wanted to pick your brain about some stuff. Yeah, for sure. 

[00:03:57] Jess:
Yeah. Well, I’ll make sure that we have time to, to do that at [00:04:00] the end. Yeah. That’d be great. 

[00:04:01]
Therese: Everything looks good on my side. 

[00:04:02] Jess:
Yeah. Everything looks good. Does she sound good to you? Okay, great. And you pronounce your first name, Therese.

[00:04:09] Therese: nope, that was the other thing I was going to say. 

[00:04:11] Jess:
It’s T E R E Z. Are you okay? Sorry, we 

[00:04:14] Therese:
just had a table fall. 

[00:04:16] Jess:
Oh. Sorry, okay, yeah, tell me how to pronounce it. 

[00:04:19] Therese:
It’s pronounced T E R E Z. Oh, T E 

[00:04:22] Jess:
R E Z. Okay, I’m glad you told me.  

[00:04:23] Therese:
If you want to write it down phonetically, it’s T E R E Z. So it’s like Perez with a T.

[00:04:28] Jess:
Okay, let me get that.

[00:04:28] Therese:
And it’s Gopal Robinson.
Just, you know, so write it down so every time you’re like about seven Semi night and look down on me. Yeah. I love it.

[00:04:41] Jess:
Um, are we good to start even though you guys are okay, cool. Um, besides the table that just crashed. Okay, Terez. So you were laid off on the same [00:05:00] day. that you were going to ask for a promotion. 

[00:05:04] Jess:
did I read that right? 

[00:05:06] Therese:
That is correct. 

[00:05:07] Jess:
Okay. Take us back there. 

[00:05:10] Therese:
Um, so, you know, I, so I, I’ve been in healthcare for my entire career and I’ve been in the staffing industry for, you know, seven or so years. And so I was in this particular role for, I would say about three years. And, um, You know, I, I was brought on to make a lot of improvements nationwide within the organization. And, um, you know, and I was doing that and I was doing really well. And, you know, 

VO: Last season, I mentioned the fable of the Chinese farmer who seemingly had some fortunate or unfortunate events happen to him, and who kept responding “good luck. Bad luck. Who knows?” Because he was wise enough to know that things aren’t always as they seem, and when something thaat seems like bad luck happens, a door can open up to something new. Today’s guest is Therese (like Perez Hilton) Gopaul-Robinson, keynote speaker and expert in healthcare credentialing and leadership development. And for Therese, her bad luck scenario happened on the day she decided it was time to ask for a raise… when you looked at things that, you know, things like production and quality of, of work and hitting all the metrics and all that stuff, my team, my team was killing it. My, I mean, we were like nailing it. And, you know, I had spoken about promotions in the past. And so I knew that. I knew that it was, it was time. And, but I’ll be honest with you, Jess, like getting to a place where I was comfortable enough to, you know, actually ask for it took a lot of, 

[00:06:06] Jess:
yeah, 

[00:06:07] Therese:
a lot of work on my part, um, but I just kind of kicked into what I know best, which is, you know, sticking to the facts. And so that’s what I did. I, I had the data, I had all the information I put together this plan. Beautiful like PowerPoint presentation, which I still have. I haven’t been able to let go of it. And I’d had a meeting scheduled with my boss, our regular Monday morning, one on one, and I thought, perfect opportunity. I queued up my presentation and just when I was about to, and I had sent a copy to my boss as well. So boss had the presentation and just when I was about to start, um, HR joined the call. And then I was told, unfortunately, you know, effective immediately and no longer with the organization. So, and my, and my presentation was still on the screen as this was happening.

[00:07:03] Jess:
Oh my gosh. 

[00:07:03] Therese:
Yep. 

[00:07:06] Jess:
How did you respond? 

[00:07:08] Therese:
Um, I was in shock. I was, you know, my initial response was. It just wasn’t registering. Like I couldn’t, I don’t know. It was just wasn’t landing in my brain that it was actually happening. And, um, I would say initially shot, um, secondly, to be very honest, I, I wouldn’t say begged, but I immediately started asking about other opportunities within, within the organization, because I was just so. Scared, you know, terrifying. And I, and you know, this was in the height of the pandemic and this was the last place that I wanted to be was, you know, out looking for a job. And, um, you know, the next thing I did, which I was actually really proud of was I negotiated my severance. Um, Yes, and that was a big one for me because I would have never, like, I would have never done that, but you know, I did, I did, and I was really proud of that, and it was a very collaborative, um, experience, and, you know, it was, they were downsizing the workforce, that sort of thing, so luckily it wasn’t, um, it wasn’t performance related, um, but yeah, that’s what I did on the call, After the call now, that’s a different story.

[00:08:24] Jess:
Yeah, you have to let yourself be human. I mean, and feel it. 

[00:08:29] Therese:
Oh, and did I? Yes, I did. Um, I cried a lot. Um, luckily I had a lot of wine, um, at home. So check and check. Um, but you know, honestly, Jess, it was hard. It was really, really hard because, you know, as I mentioned to you before, like, It took a lot for me to ask.

[00:08:50] Jess:
Yeah. 

[00:08:51] Therese:
For something like that. Yeah. And if I’m being 100 percent honest, there was always a part of me that felt that it was never going to happen because [00:09:00] I wasn’t good enough to be in a higher level role than I was. And so, although I mustered up that courage, deep down, if I’m being honest, deep down in my belly, I felt like, yeah, that’s never going to happen.
Like, there’s no way, Therese, that you’re going to actually be able to do something like that.

[00:09:18] Jess:
That, you know, what’s crazy to me in that I’m just now kind of drawing this parallel is we’ve had quite a few guests on this show whose stories begin from being laid off. And they are now like who they are today, some world class speaker like you. And that is how their story began. So, but I think people unfortunately get laid off a lot or could just have life’s unexpected bumps. What, how did you go from that and those feelings of imposter syndrome to now I’m a speaker. And I, Companies and people hire me all over the world to help their teams.

[00:10:01] Therese:
Now, you know, Jess, I would love to tell you that I just had like this epiphany and I knew this was my calling and, you know, and all those things, but that’s, that’s really not the truth, really. You know, it happened for me just one afternoon. It was probably a month after, and this was actually a month after me just, you know, being on every single job search website you could think of and applying and applying and applying like a crazy lady. And it was just one Sunday I was sitting down with my husband. We were having coffee. Cause we tried to do that every Sunday. That’s like our only, you know, hour in the week of us time. And, you know, he just, he looked at me and he just said, you know, Therese, what are you doing? What, what, what is it that you want? And, and I said to him, well, I’m, I’m looking for a job and I’m, I’m trying to figure things out. And he said, no. And he was like, I’m going to, I’m going to call BS on that. That’s what he always tells me. And he said, you know, Therese, for as long as I’ve known you, you’ve talked about wanting to be a speaker, wanting to be a writer, wanting to tell your story, wanting to connect with people. And. You know, and before that, about a year before that, he needed a last minute speaker for an event that he was having at work. So he was like, Hey, can you step in and do, you know, do a motivational talk? So I did it. And he said, you know, Therese, I’d never seen you speak before. And he said, you know, I knew you were good, but I didn’t know you were that good. And your talk to this day continues to be the one that people keep requesting over and over. And he said, you know, Therese, you have something, you have something here that people need and you, you have something inside of you and you know, you’re at a point now in your life where you need to decide like, which way are you going left or right? Um, and that was really the beginning. That was the beginning of, um, me being, I don’t know, it’s like, you know, when you have these dreams, you [00:12:00] feel that that’s just all they are. It’s just dreams because things like that don’t happen to me. It happens to everyone else. It happens to that person and that person, not me. And that was the moment that I actually started to believe that there was a potential chance that it could be me too. 

[00:12:17] Jess:
So I think you hit the nail on the head of like, The first step to being a speaker doing whatever you want to do is belief and that takes a long time sometimes But then what happens after?
So you’re like, okay. This is something I want to do. What are the first steps? What do you start doing in order to now become the speaker that you are? 

[00:12:40] Therese:
So the first thing I did, um, you know, I just, I started to reach out to organizations. And so I’d gotten this nugget from, um, another speaker and you know, he said, Hey, just start looking at organizations that are having conferences and things like that. They’re always looking for speakers. And so I actually reached out to, and I’ll give them a shout out, um, Texas Medical Association and I. Sent that was like the, you know, the 200th email I had sent, you know, just trying to like, I had no idea how to do a pitch or any of that stuff. I just reached out and, you know, they, they immediately responded and said, okay, well, do you have a video?
No. Uh, do you have a speaker sheet? Sure. Meanwhile, Googling how to make a speaker sheet. Yeah. And they, you know, they said, unfortunately, you know, because of lack of experience. You know, we won’t book you this time, kind of call us back. And, and I said, okay, but here’s what I want to, I want, here’s what I want to do, I want you to keep my name because there’s going to be a point where you will have a speaker who cannot show up.
If that happens, call me. You tell me when, you tell me where, you tell me what, and I will do it. I will pay for everything. And if you love me, great. We’ll talk more. If it’s terrible, no loss, you know, I’ll lose my number. Okay. And. Literally like I think a month later they called like a week before their big conference and they’re like, um, uh, can you talk about physician burnout?
And it’s on Tuesday at four o’clock. And I said, sure. Oh my God. And, um, and I got on their stage and I delivered a talk on physician burnout to a room of, I think it was almost like 150 physicians. And I was terrified and And I had forgotten most of what I was about to, what I was supposed to say, but I got through it. And what was amazing about that, Jess, was I never felt something like that before. Number one. Um, number two, when I got off the stage and I was leaving because I was the last speaker and I was, you know, I had driven to Austin, uh, that morning and was driving back and, you know, I was heading out the door and the host said, you know, hold on a minute. And I said, okay, what do you need? You know, whatever. And she’s like, no, no, you see all those people lined up over there. Okay. They wanna talk to you. 

[00:15:07] Jess:
Hmm. 

[00:15:08] Therese:
And an hour and a half, two hours later of just person after person, after person coming up to me and, you know, sharing just some incredible, like, heart wrenching, intimate stories about their struggles of burnout. It just, it told me at that moment that. This is where I belonged and this is what I needed to do. I get emotional every time I talk about it because, you know, someone said to me that day, this is the first time I felt like somebody actually understood what I was going through. And I never heard someone speak like that before in my life.
And so that was when I thought, okay, this is what I need to be doing. And that was kind of how it started.  

[00:15:48] Jess:
Best testimonial ever. I love that. 

[00:15:52] Therese:
Yeah. 

[00:15:53] Jess:
So one of the things that I think is really fascinating about you is, and I think this [00:16:00] is common and true with a lot of speakers, is the thing that you speak on is like, from hearing your story, is the thing that you struggled with the most. Like you speak a lot on comparison and imposter syndrome and you talked about in the beginning of your story when getting laid off, like, That those were things that you felt. How do you go from being the student of something that you’re struggling with to then being the expert and speaking on it? Like, what was that journey like for you?

[00:16:31] Therese:
So for me, I, and so let me be very clear that I’m learning every day and it’s something that I actively have to work on every single day. So I always start with that, but for me, it just started with, okay. You know, for, to ask me to look in the mirror and say, you’re capable and you’re beautiful and all these things. I just, I wasn’t going to do that. So it’s said what I did because of just the way that my brain works, I thought, okay, I’m going to stick to the facts. So what are the facts telling me in terms of either my performance or a specific situation, because I can pick apart the facts. I can, I can trust the facts. And so, you know, I always start there with. Okay, what are the facts telling me? You know, what am I doing really well? What can I improve? Okay, I can work with that because that, I feel more control because now I can kind of dissect and figure out what’s next. Um, so that’s like number one.

[00:17:32] Jess:
I want toactually like hit on that for a second because I think a lot of speakers and myself included, listening to the facts, like, Watching our own footage, reading audience reviews, looking at like what’s actually working is something that’s really tough because we just want to believe the narrative that we have in our head and want to believe. But I always say that in business it’s like way better to approach something as a scientist than it is in your own personal ego because if I’m there showing up is like, I want everyone to like me because I. Have my ego involved in this. Not gonna come out as good as if I am showing up as a scientist looking for the facts of what does this audience need? What do I know that I’m good at? What can I provide? So I love that tip. 

[00:18:23] Therese:
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that’s that’s a big one Especially if you’re like me where your inner voice tends to always go to the negative First, um, and then you get, you just get caught up in that. So, you know, I, I try to focus on the facts. Um, you know, the next thing that I, I, I would recommend is learn, just really open yourself up and learn as much as you can about whatever it is in front of you, learn as much as you can from the people around you, seek out people.
Who, so here’s something that I started doing, you know, yes, I seek out people who are further along the journey than me. But I also intentionally seek out people who intimidate me, um, or who I would have maybe, let’s say I might’ve envied. In the past, I seek them out intentionally and I try to, uh, connect with them because it really just, it pushes me to kind of walk the walk, you know, instead of just talking the talk because, you know, we hear that all the time, right? Hey Jess, you’re my sister. Sister, like women empowerment, all this other stuff, right? Which is great. But then, you know, as soon as I hang up, I’m like, Oh my gosh, did you see what she was wearing? Or whoa, which is the worst, you know, all those things. And so I intentionally push myself to walk the walk, um, and seek out folks who are intimidating to me or who I feel like. In my past life, I would have thought, Oh my gosh, she’s so pretty. Like, okay, I can’t be friends with her or, and I’m being honest. I’m telling you truly what’s happening in my brain. And I try to do things intentionally to support them. So if you look at my LinkedIn, you know, you will note that a lot of times I promote other women who are.

[00:20:05] Jess:
I did notice that.

[00:20:06] Therese: You know, quote competitors, and I do that intentionally because that is my way of being more, um, genuine in terms of the relationships that I have with them, but it’s also pushing me to get to a place of being okay with another person’s success and even in sometimes being okay with someone doing it better than me. And so that’s a big one. That has been a big shift for me.

[00:20:29] Jess:
I’m not good at that one. 

[00:20:31] Therese:
I’m trying really hard on that one. Um, but it really pushes me to do some of those things that I otherwise would not have. And in turn, what happens is, you know, we end up having a very authentic relationship between me and that person. They are I’m Jess, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard this. Wow, you’re, you’re actually genuine. Like, this is interesting because I’ve never experienced this before. Um, you know, you’re actually supporting me and, and that sort of thing. And so what happens is just you end up having just this incredible community of people around you who just start to champion for you as well. And it just becomes an incredible thing. So in terms of me become, being a student to actually being the expert, it’s me trying to every single day. live in the space, um, in terms of learning and growing to be comfortable enough in my own skin flaws and all, um, to be genuinely supportive of someone else, because really, in my opinion, that’s what imposter syndrome is.
I’m comparing myself to everyone else. And I suck. That’s essentially what it is. So if we take that away and we just start to think in terms of, Okay, you know what? Jess is better than me at this one thing. But wow, I’m going to really work really hard to be supportive of that. I’m going to share her content. I’m going to ask for her advice. I’m going to ask for her time and support. Now it’s no longer a me against Jess thing. It’s a me [00:22:00] and Jess thing. That’s the shift. 

[00:22:03] Jess:
That is fascinating. So in a conversation that we were having earlier, um, with someone about like strengths finder, mine was definitely like competition, which can be, there’s two ends of the spectrum where it can be helpful and it can be harmful. And like finding that, It’s like not me against the rest. Like you said, it’s me and someone else is like such an amazing shift that I think for the ultra competitor and me can really learn from. So when you get booked to speak, are they bringing you in for imposter syndrome comparison? Like what are some of the things that you share on stage and can you give us a little tidbit for our audience?

[00:22:52] Therese:
Yeah, so, um, all of, all of what you just said. So my most recent talk that I did with a women’s ERG [00:23:00] was actually focused on stop doing so much. Um, and so, you know, 

[00:23:05] Jess:
I need to listen to every single one of your talks. 

[00:23:09] Therese:
And again, listen, I, I’m not only the president, I’m also a member, um, but it’s something that I actively have to work on. And so I talk a lot about, and my audiences tend to be primarily women, um, women in the workplace in some fashion. But, you know, my most recent talk was about just that. Just how, how do you How do you stop doing so much? And really the way that I look at that is, especially in the workplace, I look at it in three buckets. And so the first bucket is what we bring with us to the workplace. And what we bring with us is some of those societal. Right. You’ve got to be a homemaker. You’ve got to be a loving wife and mom, all those different things. Right. Um, what we bring with us is, you know, again, the insecurities, the imposter syndrome, all that. So that’s bucket one. So we bring that to work with us and [00:24:00] then it’s also what we receive. That’s the second bucket. So. What we receive is, again, some of the societal expectations of us having it all, whatever that looks like, and looking fantastic while we do it. That’s what we’re receiving, but we’re also receiving a lot of very, um, specific things that are unique challenges to us as women in the workplace, like the, you know, the glass cliff, or, you know, the, all of these different things that are happening, right, where we, you know, statistically speaking, women tend to Be put in leadership roles when companies are struggling the most versus their male counterparts who are put into leadership roles when things are like working like crazy. And yes, I’ve heard this, right? So, so we have those three buckets. We have the first one, which is what we bring the second one, which is what we receive. And then the third one, now this is just my kind of, this is my humble opinion on what’s happening, but then the third one is what we project. And so when we’re doing so much, we’re projecting. And we’re projecting to our leaders that, Hey, we have no boundaries. We’ll always say yes. You know, we have nothing, we don’t have enough to do because we keep saying yes to things. What we project to our colleagues is there’s a lack of trust and there’s unhealthy competition because Therese has always got it. Just don’t worry about it. I got it. And then what we are projecting to our team, the folks who report to us is essentially unrealistic expectations. We tend to micromanage a lot, all of that. So that kind of all is in that bucket of the doing so much. And so how do we combat that? Well, number one, like I said, start to be okay with people doing it better than you. That’s, I’m like, Ooh, I don’t know about that. 

[00:25:46] Jess:
Tough pill to swallow, but I’ll try. 

[00:25:49] Therese:
But it, it, it, it really is. Um, because you know, really quick, 30 seconds or less, you know, I have a really close friend who she sat as a chair for this nonprofit, um, [00:26:00] and it was a volunteer position, um, organization for the last seven years. And she’s burned out, exhausted. She can’t do certain things because of the time commitment for this role. And she quite frankly hates it. And we were sitting having breakfast one morning, group of us, and, you know, I said, well, why, what, why is it that you won’t leave this? And then after 30 minutes of running around, she finally said, because what if the next person does it better than me? Ooh. And that really hit home for me because I think that is the kind of the root of why we tend to do as much as we do as women because we have this fear that someone else is gonna do it better than us. And what does that say? Well, that says that we’re not as valuable. We don’t matter as much. Mm-Hmm. And we don’t belong as much. And so that’s the first thing, is getting okay with people doing it better than you. Giving yourself some credit. So looking to see, okay, what actually am I doing really well? What are some of the talents that I have? And what are some things that I can do to actually make this a better situation? And then saving room for the good yes, because if you’re saying yes, And doing all the things, or like my best friend always tells me, Therese, you’re always doing the most. Um, if you’re over here doing the most all the time, then it’s not going to leave room for the good yes. The yes that you really want that you don’t think is going to happen if you’re so busy kind of doing all these different things. So that’s just kind of one of the things I like to talk about a lot because I am. 100 percent guilty of doing that. And even though I talk about this, I still struggle with it. And I have to, you know, check myself sometimes and say, wait a minute, Therese, do you really need to, you know, bake bread from fresh and get the laundry done and get your workout in and get on this call with Jess?
And I mean, like pick two. 

[00:27:50] Jess:
Yeah, yeah, you know, we are walking the same path. I literally was googling how to make sour dough this morning and then once, once it was like fermenting something or creating the starter, I was like, absolutely not. I will go to the, I will go to the bakery. But Therese, where can people book you to speak and where can people find you to learn from you?

[00:28:11] Therese:
Yes, so you can actually visit my website. Um, it’s just ThereseGR. com and that’s T H E R E S E G R. com and on there you can find links to um, you know, do any kind of consultations or book me to speak but then also just follow me on LinkedIn. I’m on there every single day and I, I share Probably too much on there.And it’s just my name. Um, just Therese Gopal Robinson. But, you know, if you’re wanting to book me for anything, I would love to chat more. Those are the two places you can reach me. 

[00:28:43] Jess:
Perfect. And I will say that she is one of my favorite followers on LinkedIn. So we’ll be sure to put her website and her LinkedIn in the show notes. Therese, thank you so much for sharing your story, getting laid off on the same day that you thought you were going to get promoted. Gut punch, but I am so glad that it brought you here and brought you To me. So we can talk about this amazing career that you made from it. 

[00:29:05] Therese:
Oh, thank you so much, Jess. This has been great.
And I, I’m, I’m really just so excited to get to sit down and chat with you. 

[00:29:11] Jess: Thanks, Trez. Awesome.